Project Bondtech Extruder

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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby jmp » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:28 am

Haven't had a chance to put it through it's paces yet but is sure looks pretty.
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby JohnSays » Mon Jun 20, 2016 2:57 am

Thanks. Reading through the thread I was not sure if a fully workable bowden solution was working for the Raise3D N2 dual. Is it?
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby Zettlinger » Mon Jun 20, 2016 10:35 am

Johnsays: they have a dual setup if i remember correctly but its ONE direct drive and 1 Bowden setup.

Dont think i saw a dual direct drive upgrade yet

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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby RogerSt » Mon Jun 20, 2016 12:43 pm

If they have a dual direct drive upgrade, i would like to update
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby JohnSays » Mon Jun 20, 2016 3:43 pm

So socke actually answered my question on the previous page. Essentilally he says his bowden is working as well as the direct drive, but with a little more stringing with PETG.
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby socke » Mon Jun 20, 2016 6:51 pm

JohnSays wrote:So socke actually answered my question on the previous page. Essentilally he says his bowden is working as well as the direct drive, but with a little more stringing with PETG.


Now I would say it with other words: Add 50% of the rectract, you usually take for direct drive and you are fine for the bowden. ;-)

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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby firesped » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:00 pm

The problem with a dual direct drive system is that the QR release gets in the way of parts, the cable chain is exactly where it needs to go. The solution would be to figure out how to shift the connection point for the cable chain and extruder board.

I think some of my issues with getting it to work before one of my hotends died, was I was running the QR at the wrong speed. It is supposed to be at 476.5 and I had it at 492. as was stated in these forums.

I think I have figured out a way to program the hybrid settings better. Ultimate, Ideamaker needs to be upgraded to support the Hybrid
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby socke » Mon Jun 20, 2016 7:46 pm

Yes, there may be other possible ways to go - but why don't you like the firmware hack? The advantage is it works and is already available. Also the M221 command could be an option.
Further, why do you think the E value is wrong?

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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby firesped » Mon Jun 20, 2016 9:19 pm

I'm not saying the hack is wrong. Actually my plan uses the hack but makes it adjustable using gcode.

I wasn't really able to use the bowden before it would fail. the QR I got says it should be at 476.5
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby rlballard » Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:11 pm

I am 50% complete with this project and wondering why it took me so long to do. This BondTech upgrade was simple and it flys.... I am averaging on the first 3 prints 90mm/s with no issues and great quality. I have the QR for the bowden tube but have not gotten that far, it sounds like from what Derick reported g-code script mods are pretty straight forward. I haven't ventured in to modifying the firmware as I still am not experienced in this area. Has anybody tired this script mod and what are your results...
I will be traveling starting today so I can't do anything until next week.
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby JohnSays » Sat Jun 25, 2016 2:32 am

Where in the U.S. (websire) do I buy a dual BondTech? Or do I buy it from BondTech directly?

I've just been on the BonTech.se website and am confused about what parts to buy. I see the Extruder Kit and the SLS Parts. so I assume that I get both. But what extruders to buy? I don't see anything that says "bowden," so what extruder is used for that and is there a kit to mount it?
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby venosa » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:06 am

JohnSays wrote:Where in the U.S. (websire) do I buy a dual BondTech? Or do I buy it from BondTech directly?

I've just been on the BonTech.se website and am confused about what parts to buy. I see the Extruder Kit and the SLS Parts. so I assume that I get both. But what extruders to buy? I don't see anything that says "bowden," so what extruder is used for that and is there a kit to mount it?


I think you need
this: http://shop.bondtech.se/ec/upgrade-kits ... ybrid.html
this: http://shop.bondtech.se/ec/extruders/bo ... ersal.html
Maybe this... http://shop.bondtech.se/ec/components/p ... 64-mm.html

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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby JohnSays » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:15 am

Thank you venosa. Don't I need more than one BondTech extruder for a dual setup?
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby dhylands » Sat Jun 25, 2016 3:58 am

The Extruder Kit uses one of the steppers from your printer to create a direct driver extruder (primary extruder)
The QR universal is setup as a bowden (secondary extruder).

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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby JohnSays » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:01 am

Ok, no it makes sense. I thought the QR was the direct drive... Thanks!
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby firesped » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:29 am

direct drive using stepper motor from printer.

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bowden installed by filament, the Bondtech QR universal

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They have a kit for everything now at the Bondtech site.
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby firesped » Sat Jun 25, 2016 4:36 am

my second V2 hotend is toast atm, I'm considering putting my good V1 hotend back in. I was able to print HIPs with it before. So it may still work for my needs. I'm debating making a custom mounting block for the QR universal to add in a way to secure the bowden tube. I just finished a 60+ print today using Raise3D ABS during a heatwave.
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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby rlballard » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:08 am

Johnsays,
To ensure you get all the right parts I suggest contacting Martin who designed this with the guidance and support of our community, you can reach him at:

martin@bondtech.se

Venosa is right on the money with the components however....

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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby Charles » Sun Jun 26, 2016 1:30 am

How do you mount the Bowden extruder in the N2?

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Re: Project Bondtech Extruder

Postby Bondtech » Sun Jun 26, 2016 6:17 pm

The Bondtech QR Extruder uses the standardmount combined with a special mounting plate that allow the extruder to be placed on the side plate of the printer just over the filament roll as you can see on the below photo from user Socke.

The standard mount can be downloaded here as a stl-file. STL-file
The mounting plate can be downloaded here as a stl-file. STL-file

You will need 3 pcs of M5 thread inserts like theese: Link
and a 3 pcs of M5x10 bolt like theese: Link

Extruder mounted:
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Mounting plate:
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