Flow calibration for the right extruder

finy007
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Flow calibration for the right extruder

Postby finy007 » Mon May 22, 2023 1:07 pm

Hey Guys,
i'm using a Pro3 and i'm trying to print the software-integrated flow cube with the right extruder.
Isnt it possible? I cant find any option to change the extruder...

Thanks! :)

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Re: Flow calibration for the right extruder

Postby Manuel@Raise3D » Mon May 22, 2023 8:27 pm

finy007 wrote:Hey Guys,
i'm using a Pro3 and i'm trying to print the software-integrated flow cube with the right extruder.
Isnt it possible? I cant find any option to change the extruder...

Thanks! :)


When using ideaMaker, the flowrate value that's used on the left extruder is the same one used for the right extruder unless it's changed. If both hotends are using the same material/hardware, it's not necessary to change the flow rate values for both. If you'd still like to, you can do so by following the images below:
*I also included how to slice with just the right extruder in case you also were in need of this
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Re: Flow calibration for the right extruder

Postby finy007 » Tue May 23, 2023 9:30 am

Thank you, but I am already familiar with the way. What I was wondering is whether the flow test implemented in the printer's operating system can also be applied to the right extruder?

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Re: Flow calibration for the right extruder

Postby Manuel@Raise3D » Tue May 23, 2023 6:27 pm

The Pro3 printer does not have a flow test integrated into the printer's OS. It only has:
- Left Z offset adjustment
- Right Z offset adjustment
- Bed probing
- X&Y offset prints
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The "Tune" tab does have a flowrate adjustment option, however, this will be overridden by the value set in ideaMaker each time you print. So if adjusted, it will only apply to that one print and won't always stay at the value you input on the touchscreen. The same thing applies to the fan speed and feed rate selections too. (those changes are temporary and will only apply to the one print that's being done)

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Re: Flow calibration for the right extruder

Postby finy007 » Wed May 24, 2023 9:19 pm

Manuel@Raise3D wrote:The Pro3 printer does not have a flow test integrated into the printer's OS[...]

Thank you, Manuel, but you're unfortunately mistaken. I'm not currently at the printer, so I can't check myself until later. However, there is an option, I believe it's called "Filament Calibration Tools" or something similar. It's listed under its own menu and not under "Maintenance". There, you can directly print a temperature tower and the flow test I mentioned. Otherwise, I will add a photo once I'm back at the printer.

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Re: Flow calibration for the right extruder

Postby Manuel@Raise3D » Thu May 25, 2023 12:56 am

My apologies, I was not aware of this particular setting within the touchscreen. I will double-check if the values used apply to the other hotend as well.

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Re : Étalonnage du débit pour la bonne extrudeuse

Postby Randwic » Thu May 25, 2023 2:57 pm

finy007 wrote:
Manuel@Raise3D wrote:L'imprimante Pro3 n'a pas de test de flux intégré au système d'exploitation de l'imprimante[...]
Merci, Manuel, mais vous vous trompez malheureusement. Je ne suis pas actuellement à l'imprimante, donc je ne peux pas me vérifier avant plus tard. Cependant, il y a une option, je crois qu'elle s'appelle "Outils d'étalonnage des fidélaments" ou quelque chose de similaire. Il est répertorié sous son propre menu et non sous "Maintenance". Là, vous pouvez imprimer directement une tour de température et le test de débit que j'ai mentionné. Sinon, j'ajouterai une photo une fois que je serai de retour à l'imprimante.


I also did this test at the start of the printer, however, when I print a rectangle with a 10mm hole, my hole is finally 9.85mm, is it that on the pro 3 plus FFF, the slicer automatically takes over the panel regarding the flow?

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Re: Re : Étalonnage du débit pour la bonne extrudeuse

Postby Manuel@Raise3D » Thu May 25, 2023 7:00 pm

Randwic wrote:
finy007 wrote:
Manuel@Raise3D wrote:L'imprimante Pro3 n'a pas de test de flux intégré au système d'exploitation de l'imprimante[...]
Merci, Manuel, mais vous vous trompez malheureusement. Je ne suis pas actuellement à l'imprimante, donc je ne peux pas me vérifier avant plus tard. Cependant, il y a une option, je crois qu'elle s'appelle "Outils d'étalonnage des fidélaments" ou quelque chose de similaire. Il est répertorié sous son propre menu et non sous "Maintenance". Là, vous pouvez imprimer directement une tour de température et le test de débit que j'ai mentionné. Sinon, j'ajouterai une photo une fois que je serai de retour à l'imprimante.


I also did this test at the start of the printer, however, when I print a rectangle with a 10mm hole, my hole is finally 9.85mm, is it that on the pro 3 plus FFF, the slicer automatically takes over the panel regarding the flow?


Yes, the slicer will ultimately always override the flowrate adjustment that's input/displayed on the printer, however, the small inaccuracy in your example can be the result of a few different things rather than just only flowrate. The following can end up affecting your print's geometry (apart from flowrate) too:
- Model cooling fan speed (material shrinkage)
- Hotend temperature (thermal expansion)
- Z offset (too much squish or being too far away from the bed can lead to part deformation or warping)
- Material being used (filaments like Nylons and ABS can tend to shrink even when properly cooled when printing)
- Print speed

*Please keep in mind that manual calipers can have some room for error as too much pressure can affect the measurement


All in all, unless the flowrate test file is exported from the touchscreen (at the end of the test the screen will prompt you with this option) the results from this test will not apply to the printer and will only be applied to the file that's exported. In turn, you can then see the updated flowrate value in ideaMaker once imported into the slicer as a template. Once imported into ideaMaker, you can then see that the flow rate value is applied to both hotends and not just the left.

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Re : Étalonnage du débit pour la bonne extrudeuse

Postby Randwic » Thu May 25, 2023 7:04 pm

Thanks for your help

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Re: Flow calibration for the right extruder

Postby finy007 » Tue May 30, 2023 8:14 am

Should be implitated also for the right extruder...
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