Left Extruder jams

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Jay_Omega
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Left Extruder jams

Postby Jay_Omega » Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:03 pm

I keep getting jams in the left extruder below the extruder gears,
where the filament goes through the guide hole.

There seems to be wear on the plastic piece, since the black
paint has worn off to show white plastic.

Jammed this time on 3DSolutech natural, but this has happened using other
filaments as well.

See attached photo.

Thanks!
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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby ocelot27 » Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:11 pm

I don't think that's wear as the whole thing is made with SLS printing out of black nylon powder. Probably debris from filament that's worn off by passing though the extruder. Going to have to use the steel rod and find out where the obstruction is as per Raise instructions.

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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby Jay_Omega » Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:58 pm

Cleared out the jam.

The filament above the jam looks nice and smooth.

Below the jam (between gears and hotend) the filament is pretty banged up looking.
(see photo, left to right cleaning rod, right filament, left filament).

I'm running with less pressure on the filament on the gears. Maybe I was just
crushing the poop out of my filament?
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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby IliaT » Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:56 pm

It might be famous bad temperature sensor socket issue. We had filament jam issue all the time until we designed and built special bracket to hold the sensor wires still so they will not wiggle the socket interrupting contacts. After this fix the issue completely had gone.

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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby ocelot27 » Sat Jul 06, 2019 7:11 pm

The image of the filament looks like heat creep to me - you can see where the rollers squished the softened filament.

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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby Jay_Omega » Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:55 pm

I didn't know there was a famous bad temperature sensor socket.
I'll look at that. Funny how all these machines have quirks and
idiosyncracies.

Heat creep - I had considered that but wasn't positive. Not sure how to
counteract that; I'll do some more research.

Thanks for the diagnosis!

I think "The Heat Creep" would be a good user name for a 3d print forum.

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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby Jay_Omega » Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:30 am

So, yes, it was heat creep.

I added some thermal compound between the heat sinks and throat tube.
Raised up the lid to keep heat down in the print chamber.
Lowered the build plate temperature.

Oh yeah and I replaced the front cooling fan. I'm pretty sure this is the fault of
Raise3D's poor design, and not me dropping tweezers or allen wrenches in the fan
while it was running.

busted_fan.jpg


I replaced the fan with a 50mmx50mmx20mm fan, so a bit longer screws and a little more
noise, but lots more airflow and more manly fan blades.

Printing like a champ now.

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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby IliaT » Thu Feb 06, 2020 6:34 pm

Some of you asked the cable holding bracket CAD model. Here is zip archive with STL file and X_T file of this bracket

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GYQuQm ... sp=sharing

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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby IliaT » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:02 pm

I believe the most common reason of extruder jams - poor multicolored wires plug on the extruder board causes wrong temperature reading and as result cooling down the nozzle during the pint or overheating the nozzle. If you experience jams disassemble the plug and inspect all the crimp connectors. Some of them might be bad

https://forum.raise3d.com/viewtopic.php ... 777#p54777

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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby Markus64 » Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:57 pm

IliaT wrote:Some of you asked the cable holding bracket CAD model. Here is zip archive with STL file and X_T file of this bracket

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GYQuQm ... sp=sharing


Very good work!
Ty for sharing!

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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby ccclarke » Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:30 pm

Just printed this today as one of my test prints after overhauling the printer earlier in the week. Awesome design and works beautifully. The knowledge and creativity shared here never ceases to amaze me.

Thank you,

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Re: Left Extruder jams

Postby Printer » Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:07 am

IliaT wrote:I believe the most common reason of extruder jams - poor multicolored wires plug on the extruder board causes wrong temperature reading and as result cooling down the nozzle during the pint or overheating the nozzle. If you experience jams disassemble the plug and inspect all the crimp connectors. Some of them might be bad

https://forum.raise3d.com/viewtopic.php ... 777#p54777



Thanks a lot !!1


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