E3D v6 Adaptor

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Iamkar33m
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby Iamkar33m » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:24 pm

Almost done with my setup. Gotta finish printing the parts cooling nozzle to connect to the 5015 fans in the back.

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trae@greenlee.cc
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:33 pm

Nice, love to see how you have the blower fan setup.

Iamkar33m
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby Iamkar33m » Sat Jan 06, 2018 8:46 pm

The nozzle shroud is still printing at the moment, but here is the model I used to design/print the setup. I'm using the stock cold-end fans and added 2x 5015 blowers for the parts cooling.

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I'll post completed photos when it's fully assembled.

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby leseaw » Sun Jan 07, 2018 8:14 pm

and when will i become an answer for my mails?
i want also buy this heatsink :(

trae@greenlee.cc
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Sun Jan 07, 2018 9:01 pm

sorry leseaw, i don't see any emails from a leseaw.
are you youprintin3d by any chance?
And this doesn't need to be here in this thread my email is in the clear here, send me one and be sure to add your handle in the body so i can search for it in my rather large spam folder.

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby leseaw » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:24 pm

yes thats me :)
i write you an email.

firesped
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:41 am

nozzle installation is supposed to be specific. the issue is that the adapters were not cut to specification with parts installed for alignment.
can we adjust the nozzle as needed to get the alignment?

In otherwords. they did not pre-build the adapters before making the cuts on them to make sure that we got the alignment we desired.

Nozzle installation is supposed to be screw it all the way in and back it out 1/4 of a turn. My 2 adapters point out different directions with the hotends installed.

This may be something to address to the manufacturer for future product.

as far as the direct cooling fan, I actually saw one I'd like to adapt that will not need an assist duct.

This one here. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2149774
RL name: Michael Nolen
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raise3D N2 kickstarter Early Bird
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:21 am

Indexed thread cutting is expensive. Basically every machining operation adds cost and the more precision needed adds more cost.
Then there is the heatbreak with its 6mmx1mm and 7mmx1mm threaded sections, its a safe bet its not indexed either so any effort to index the adapter with a particular heatbreak would be lost when going to a different heat break.
Personally i was annoyed with the indexed openings in the tool head, but i didn't design it so have to work with what we got.
I been running other E3D adapters on six ultimaker2s with similar index limitations with the nozzle adjusted to put the heater block where i want it for three years and counting.
My installation procedure is this:
I run the nozzle all the way down to the block, run the heat break all the way down to the nozzle, set the heatsink, position assembly in tool head, adjust heaterbock angle and readjust assemble as needed so that there is a bit of turn left in the nozzle before bottoming out in the block. Then heat the nozzle up to as high as it can go and tighten nozzle into bock, holding block still with pliers.
Works every time.

Iamkar33m
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby Iamkar33m » Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:18 am

firesped wrote:as far as the direct cooling fan, I actually saw one I'd like to adapt that will not need an assist duct.

This one here. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2149774


Funny you should link that. My final setup for direct cooling ended up kind of like that:

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:11 pm

so sorta started over to use that blower fan part.

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re did the cold end fan to mount to the carriage. ended up redoing the model to give more air flow at the fins.
added a mount on the side.

did a lot of work on the filament fan mount located at https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2149774

the rounded corners did not pull through so I removed them. just making it angled. I altered the mount so it will working with the mount part on the cold end fan. There are 2 positions for it. So it can be used with either a volcano or a normal heat block.
RL name: Michael Nolen
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Trinus Deluxe (running smoothieware on Azteeg X5 GT board)
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Iamkar33m
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby Iamkar33m » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:42 pm

The one thing I love about my setup is that the parts cooling fans nozzles create a "blade" of air striking the very tip of the nozzle.

As a comparison, this is a Benchy on my Raise3D w/ E3D hotends & dedicated parts cooling:
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This is the same Benchy, same settings, same filament even on my $200 Monoprice Select Mini v2:
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I forgot to add, I had to do a BUNCH of cleanup on the Monoprice Select Mini v2 Benchy print (drooping overhangs on arch and bow ledge). The Raise3D was pictures exactly how it came off the bed, no touch-up necessary.

I'm quite satisfied with my Raise3D setup now.

Best,
Kareem

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:19 pm

I haven't converted over to the E3D yet cause I am printing out my cooling parts with my one good hotend with no insulation using esun ePC. support doesn't seem to like to stick to the bed so some problems. printing right on glass with glue stick applied.

as recommended for printer parts
.25mm layer height
3 shells,
40% infill

I should also be able to back port this cooling part to the normal hotends as well. though not sure if it will be aligned correctly
RL name: Michael Nolen
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Trinus Deluxe (running smoothieware on Azteeg X5 GT board)
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Iamkar33m
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby Iamkar33m » Tue Jan 09, 2018 11:40 pm

My only fear is that with the blowers sticking so far out the sides you lose some x travel motion, Also if it goes back far enough it may hit the cable guide for the heatbed.

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby Jetguy » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:41 am

You can use 30 or 40 watt heaters, just PID tune after installing (you should do that anyway since you changed the entire hotend).
30 watt has less margin for higher than 245C temps, but insulated, and properly PID tuned, both should be well capable of 250+ setpoints stable.

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:42 am

printed out these fans, let me get them up on thingiverse. my blower fan fit perfectly as did the parts. it is adjustable too for both volcano and normal hotends.

I'll take some pictures tomorrow. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2752004

edit: in order to make this work for the normal hotend, I will have to model out the V2 hotend. which I probably should have done a long time ago. I think i have the V2 hotend itself done somewhere, I just need to get the cold end done so I can properly align a cooling shroud. This filament cooler will also need to sit further away due to the size of the raise3d hotend.

I also may need to adjust the coldend part slighting to raise the filament cooler up so the nozzle attachment can be installed. or I can redo the nozzle attachment as well, making it slightly shorter.

ended fixing the cold end duct to raise it up.
RL name: Michael Nolen
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raise3D N2 kickstarter Early Bird
Trinus Deluxe (running smoothieware on Azteeg X5 GT board)
Monoprice Maker Select v2

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Thu Jan 11, 2018 10:08 pm

finally converted over but I need to redesign the filament cooling fan. It is hitting the Z endstop stopper.
going to place a single blower fan centered between the hotends.


need to make sure the filament is calibrated for this new hotend first though.
RL name: Michael Nolen
printers:
raise3D N2 kickstarter Early Bird
Trinus Deluxe (running smoothieware on Azteeg X5 GT board)
Monoprice Maker Select v2

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Fri Jan 12, 2018 2:53 pm

Iamkar33m wrote:[quote=Were you able to successfully control the 0 Fan Header with "M42 P8 Sxxx (0-255)" gcode?"


Yes, I inserted the M42 P8 S255 command in the gcode right below the M106 code generated by the slicer.

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:49 pm

it's so much fun to have the cooling unit crash into the front of the printer while homing. lol

making the fan stand vertical. it will be mounted to the right side. I just hope it fits.

the plus side is I think the left side would allow for a bed leveling sensor to be mounted.
RL name: Michael Nolen
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raise3D N2 kickstarter Early Bird
Trinus Deluxe (running smoothieware on Azteeg X5 GT board)
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benny32
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby benny32 » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:16 pm

I just installed a single adapter but when I start back up after swapping out the heater and temp sensor wires with the ones linked earlier in the thread I get an error. Board Error Extruder switched off mintemp triggered. Any ideas on what got mixed up here?

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:20 pm

I had to flash single nozzle firmware when running with only one thermocouple attached.
Hook up a second thermocoupler or flash N2 single firmware


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