Easy printing, high-temp material

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mb300sd
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Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby mb300sd » Fri May 04, 2018 3:49 am

Anyone have suggestions as to the easiest printing high temp material? I've tried both ABS (keeps warping) and PETG (stringing, blobbing everywhere). Spent all day trying to dial in 1 or the other, and will keep trying...but I'm frustrated now and wondering if there's something easier to use that I've missed. No specific strength requirements for this job, just temperature resistance.

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby Jetguy » Fri May 04, 2018 1:10 pm

There are high temp PLAs (MakerGeeks Raptor), there are custom formulations of ABS that have low shrinkage and thus warping and layer stress.

Material science is on your side, it just costs a little more.

Example is ABS-X formulation made in the Netherlands
https://shop.3dfilaprint.com/filaprint-abs-x-392-c.asp
Also sold here https://craftunique.com/category/abs-x-filaments

Here is a quote from a friend who is extremely knowledgeable on chemical makeup:
Vicat of 97C is reasonable for ABS -- the measurement can come in a bit under the "normal" glass point.

The only clue I can find is "ABS-X is the perfect material for strong objects that require an high impact tolerance." My best guess is that it's a high-butadiene blend (more rubbery than usual) so the thermal contraction doesn't build up as much warping stress. The fairly high elongation at break (for ABS) supports this. But who knows. Maybe they know something I don't :-)


Also, FWIW, from the same discussion the STL used for testing these various materials.
Warp Test STL
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2458414

Here are some pictures taken from that private group to share here on this topic.
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Another thing I have used relatively recently was I was given loan of a Zortrax 3D printer. It's pretty much made for ABS, but what I found is their (Zortrax ABS) must also be a low shrink/warp material because running regular ABS (IC3D) warped like crazy and Zortax ABS didn't. Just saying, another potential option to try. Also, they have a lot of other materials.
I think given the structure and limits of how a Zortrax M200 is built, these same materials probably are not too hard to get to print in your Raise3D. https://www.amazon.com/Black-Box-Zortra ... B01LXRUGN6

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby detroitus » Fri May 04, 2018 1:49 pm

Jetguy wrote:Example is ABS-X formulation made in the Netherlands
https://shop.3dfilaprint.com/filaprint-abs-x-392-c.asp
Also sold here https://craftunique.com/category/abs-x-filaments



I don't suppose you are aware of any other stateside suppliers of this material? I'd like to try it out but I am having a difficult time finding it over here and am somewhat hesitant to cough up the international shipping expense.

*Edit: I should specify that I need it in black. The Craft Unique site doesn't seem to carry that option.

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby zemlin » Fri May 04, 2018 5:06 pm

eSun ABS+ is night-and-day compared to eSun ABS.

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby detroitus » Fri May 04, 2018 5:25 pm

zemlin wrote:eSun ABS+ is night-and-day compared to eSun ABS.


Also seemingly impossible to find in black for some reason...

mb300sd
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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby mb300sd » Fri May 04, 2018 5:31 pm

I'll have to try the one/all of the suggested ones. I'm using the regular eSun ABS right now.

As for finally getting it to print, I FINALLY GOT IT! :) Switched to ABS juice for adhesion, and sat there for 4 hours manually temperature controlling the enclosure at 120°F with a blow dryer. Will be building an automated system as soon as parts arrive...

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby Vice Chief » Fri May 04, 2018 6:25 pm

I've used MR16 halogen bulbs on a dimmer to keep the print warm and prevent warp. On the Makerbot this was super easy because there's a huge area around the print.

I went looking for low-warp ABS and it sure seems expensive. I would definitely be interested in US-based low-warp ABS around $30/Kg.

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby zemlin » Fri May 04, 2018 7:33 pm

detroitus wrote:Also seemingly impossible to find in black for some reason...
I bought the last of it from IntServo a couple weeks back. I was going to get 6 spools, but they were sold out at 2 - but I've been checking and have been surprised that they are still out. Amazon still lists it, have you tried ordering from them (assuming that is an option for you).

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby detroitus » Fri May 04, 2018 7:44 pm

zemlin wrote:
detroitus wrote:Also seemingly impossible to find in black for some reason...
I bought the last of it from IntServo a couple weeks back. I was going to get 6 spools, but they were sold out at 2 - but I've been checking and have been surprised that they are still out. Amazon still lists it, have you tried ordering from them (assuming that is an option for you).


Amazon shows a picture of it in black, but does not list black as one of the color options.

*edited: It's there now. They apparently just put that up this afternoon. It was not there this morning. I will order that now.

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby cullymoto » Mon May 07, 2018 2:49 pm

https://filaments.ca/collections/1-75mm ... ack-1-75mm

I have used this filament, and can vouch for it's simplicity to use (similar to petg) and it's excellent strength.

I used it to print case-less computer parts, a customer built a computer with our printed parts joining everything together. Some printed parts mount directly to the motherboard and hold a video card in place.
High heat tolerance, very high electrical resistance and great strength.
We printed it onto painters tape just like pla and it stuck fine for small surface area parts. Large parts + square corners may need abs slurry to prevent warping.
Full enclosure required.

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby EldRick » Mon May 07, 2018 3:57 pm

ASA has properties similar to ABS, with much less shrinkage/warping.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_ ... a+filament

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Re: Easy printing, high-temp material

Postby jetdillo » Fri May 18, 2018 1:59 pm

Jetguy wrote:There are high temp PLAs (MakerGeeks Raptor), there are custom formulations of ABS that have low shrinkage and thus warping and layer stress.

Material science is on your side, it just costs a little more.

Example is ABS-X formulation made in the Netherlands
https://shop.3dfilaprint.com/filaprint-abs-x-392-c.asp
Also sold here https://craftunique.com/category/abs-x-filaments


[raises hand]
ABS-X user here.
I've been quite successful using ABS-X vs. ABS for clamps, brackets, grippers for robot arms, etc.
It's still ABS, so it still requires some attention and monitoring but it works way better than anybody else's ABS that I've tried.

What is your application ?
For just a "more durable than PLA" filament, I've had pretty good success with nGen. It prints at around 240C, bed temp of 80C and sticks to just about anything: Build-Tak, blue tape, glue stick, hairspray, etc.


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