3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

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3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby Trhuster » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:18 am

So this is my first time ever i try out any nozzle than standard 0.4. I have a set off 3dSolex nozzles, sizes i have is 0.1, 0.25, 0.4, 0.6, 1.0, 1.5, 2.0.

http://3dsolex.com/matchless

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Main point with this nozzles is that they have a new internal core heating system. So they claim that those nozzle will extrude plastic at lower temps when compared to normal nozzles. So basically it should extrude plastic at higher speed with large nozzles with less stress on the extruder.

I will start testing bigger nozzles first. So first up will be a 0.6mm nozzle. I will use my N1 with Bondtech extruder for the tests.

I am using Simplify3d and one perimeter vase mode. So this tests will only show if you can extrude plastic without issues with large nozzles. I will use ABS at 260c for all those tests, ofcourse higher temp will help if you use large nozzels but this is just for some basic knowledge how it works with my standard hotend temp.


Settings 0.6 nozzle: Extrusion Width 0.72, Speed 60mm/s, Layers 0.4mm, Temp 260C.

No problems at all, layers looks nice and even.

Full size pic: http://i.imgur.com/bR3I0dP.jpg

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Settings 1.0 nozzle: Extrusion Width 1.2mm, Speed 40mm/s, Layers 0.6mm, Temp 260C. Now you can hear extruder have to work abit, but no missed steps. Some bad layers at around 30mm/z when i manually went up to 60mm/s. That is becuse to much heat so layers had not enough time to cool down before next layer. I can also see some small blobs on the surface, dont know why really.

Full size pic: http://i.imgur.com/cIqP48P.jpg

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Settings 1.5 nozzle: Extrusion Width 1.8mm, Speed 30mm/s, Layers 0.75mm, Temp 260C. Test ongoing, will edit post when print is done.
Again you can hear the extruder have to work for it abit, but test finshed and layers looks good. One strange is that i cant see any small blobs this time, i wonder why i got those with 1.0mm nozzle, anyone have any idea?

Did a short video when printing this time: https://youtu.be/NMXrYYuVc-0

Full size pic: http://i.imgur.com/XclMu3R.jpg

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Settings 2.0 nozzle: Extrusion Width 2.4mm, Speed 20mm/s, Layers 1.0mm, Temp 280C. So this one is intersting, 2.0mm nozzle with 1.75mm filament. I had to use 280c to extrude this. Layers is so wide, 2.4mm, it is insane. Test completed but the layers have a quite rough texture when comparing to all all the other nozzle sizes.

Video when printing: https://youtu.be/2TTdI0quuYo

Full size pic: http://i.imgur.com/3qslJmq.jpg

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby Michael » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:01 am

What happens to the speed if you set the extrusion width to the same as the nozzle?
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Postby Trhuster » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:14 am

Michael wrote:What happens to the speed if you set the extrusion width to the same as the nozzle?


I have not tested that yet. Wich nozzle size would you like me to test it with?

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby RogerSt » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:15 am

What kind of build plate do you use?
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Postby Trhuster » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:18 am

RogerSt wrote:What kind of build plate do you use?


Using Printbite, it works but not i don't really like it. Just to lazy to try out anu other surface atm.

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby Michael » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:39 am

Trhuster wrote:
Michael wrote:What happens to the speed if you set the extrusion width to the same as the nozzle?


I have not tested that yet. Wich nozzle size would you like me to test it with?


either the 0.8 or 1.0mm, with extrusion width set the same as nozzle diameter.
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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby Trhuster » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:44 am

Michael wrote:
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Michael wrote:What happens to the speed if you set the extrusion width to the same as the nozzle?


I have not tested that yet. Wich nozzle size would you like me to test it with?


either the 0.8 or 1.0mm, with extrusion width set the same as nozzle diameter.


Ok i will test with 1.0mm nozzle with extrusion width set the same as nozzle diameter and push it to fail to see the limit. It have to wait abit though, just started a high res print with 0.25mm nozzle.

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Postby Trhuster » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:33 pm

Just a quick test with 0.25mm nozzle and 0.1mm layers, speed 60mm/s. Using 3dprima Select PLA. Print is tiny and not really good but i can see the potential here, upper part off the bird looks kind off nice.

https://pinshape.com/items/23778-3d-printed-bird-cages

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby IdaPrint » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:39 pm

Wow those large nozzle prints turned our pretty nice. Theoretically they are stronger prints. Can you tell me about print speeds? I would figure the larger the diameter the faster the print. Any comparison times? Thanks a ton for doing these tests.

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Postby Trhuster » Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:26 pm

Another tiny print with 0.25mm nozzle. Overhangs again abit rough, i really need a better part cooling fan. But consider how tiny this print is i would say it is ok.

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby swampy » Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:38 pm

looking good with the tests when you do the speed is it just overall or do you change the inner shell and outer then infill speeds all the same as im trying to figure this with bigger nozzles ive been speeding them up by 5mm so before getting a set of these nozzles im getting the hang of ideal maker and what to play with i find with carbonfil i have to drop the feedrate and speed up quick a bit as it extrudes real good with bigger nozzles plus less chance of getting blocked with the fibres

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby swampy » Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:49 pm

Trhuster ive just done something that i think people said never mess with flowrate when mid print but i did .8mm nozzle blue pla was getting little blobs on my build so i dropped from 100% to 95% on the lcd screen with the nozzle and flowrate will post pic in 5 minutes when finnished im iin middle of making a spool holder stroke gaget for drill to move filament from 1 spool to another as i have some wide rolls and cant shut the door on the raise will post when done

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby Trhuster » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:04 pm

Michael wrote:
Trhuster wrote:
Michael wrote:What happens to the speed if you set the extrusion width to the same as the nozzle?


I have not tested that yet. Wich nozzle size would you like me to test it with?


either the 0.8 or 1.0mm, with extrusion width set the same as nozzle diameter.


Test with 1.0mm nozzle and 0.6mm layer height, 260c hotend temp. Max i could do before missing steps was 80mm/s. Tried 90mm/s but then stepper motor started miss steps. I use 0.6v on my extruder stepper motor.

That would mean extruded plastic in this example is around 48mm³/s. Quite alot. :)

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Postby Julia Truchsess » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:37 pm

Very cool, Rik, love those huge layers!

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby Mecha_Monster » Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:02 pm

Amazing as usual Trhuster :D

Are those nozzles plug and play?. Can I thread them like the standard R3D nozzles?

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Postby Trhuster » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:31 am

Yes they are plug and play. You have to adjust your bed for the first layer abit though.

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Postby Trhuster » Mon Aug 22, 2016 6:35 am

IdaPrint wrote:Wow those large nozzle prints turned our pretty nice. Theoretically they are stronger prints. Can you tell me about print speeds? I would figure the larger the diameter the faster the print. Any comparison times? Thanks a ton for doing these tests.


Ofcourse it goes faster with bigger layers. How much is really hard to say, so many variables to consider. You can play with nozzle size and layer height in your slicer and see a rough estimate off the time.

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby Trhuster » Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:48 pm

I am sorry noot to include a link to where to find those exact nozzles. I will add it to the first post now.

Link: http://3dsolex.com/matchless

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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby jmp » Tue Aug 23, 2016 12:24 am

Trhuster wrote:I am sorry noot to include a link to where to find those exact nozzles. I will add it to the first post now.

Link: http://3dsolex.com/matchless


I find that page quite confusing, it sounds like you just purchased nozzles but the page sounds like you have to purchase their heater block. There are 14 separate "add to card" options, which is the one you chose?
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Re: 3dSolex Large Diameter Nozzles Tested

Postby Trhuster » Tue Aug 23, 2016 4:49 am

jmp wrote:
Trhuster wrote:I am sorry noot to include a link to where to find those exact nozzles. I will add it to the first post now.

Link: http://3dsolex.com/matchless


I find that page quite confusing, it sounds like you just purchased nozzles but the page sounds like you have to purchase their heater block. There are 14 separate "add to card" options, which is the one you chose?


Just choose the nozzle size you want in the drop down menu: "Matchless RACE Nozzle, Bigger sizes: 12.50€"


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