Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby kencfii » Thu May 17, 2018 8:06 am

here are the pics
what is easiest way to get logs
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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Thu May 17, 2018 11:36 am

Go to Settings -> More Settings -> Serial Port Log.
Run a print and cut the filament and press Export if it doesn't trigger any error.

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby kencfii » Thu May 17, 2018 2:22 pm

log files attached.
last print was one with filament running out and nothing happened. I then stopped the printing.
I hope this is the correct log.
The new touch firmware seems slow.
I have to wait a few seconds after selecting one menu till I can select something again...
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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby Warren G » Thu May 17, 2018 5:59 pm

Vicky@Raise3D wrote:
Warren G wrote:I'm having problems as well. Installed the sensor and the 1.1.6frs firmware update. Ran a test print and when the filament ran out, nothing happened, the printer just kept going.


Have you update the touchscreen firmware together? To the latest version in download center?
Have you checked with the feeding direction of left and right side filament?


I wasn't aware that the touchscreen needed an update. I'll look into it. Thanks.

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby Warren G » Thu May 17, 2018 7:20 pm

Vicky@Raise3D wrote:
Warren G wrote:I'm having problems as well. Installed the sensor and the 1.1.6frs firmware update. Ran a test print and when the filament ran out, nothing happened, the printer just kept going.


Have you update the touchscreen firmware together? To the latest version in download center?
Have you checked with the feeding direction of left and right side filament?


I got it to work after switching sides on the sensor. Someone else has stated that pg 6 of your instruction guide is WRONG. The L and R on the sensor are mislabeled.

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Fri May 18, 2018 3:35 am

Warren G wrote:
Vicky@Raise3D wrote:
Warren G wrote:I'm having problems as well. Installed the sensor and the 1.1.6frs firmware update. Ran a test print and when the filament ran out, nothing happened, the printer just kept going.


Have you update the touchscreen firmware together? To the latest version in download center?
Have you checked with the feeding direction of left and right side filament?


I got it to work after switching sides on the sensor. Someone else has stated that pg 6 of your instruction guide is WRONG. The L and R on the sensor are mislabeled.


Have you double confirm the wring that the White end at Y+, Green end at Z+ slots?
We tried on our machine, the filament feeding direction in instruction should be correct. The right feeding path on filament sensor detects the filament fed into left nozzle.

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Fri May 18, 2018 8:26 am

kencfii wrote:log files attached.
last print was one with filament running out and nothing happened. I then stopped the printing.
I hope this is the correct log.
The new touch firmware seems slow.
I have to wait a few seconds after selecting one menu till I can select something again...


May I have the version numbers of your two firmwares? Have you ever tried cut off the both side filament during printing to check whether it triggers the error or not?

BTW, have you tried with the STL of new printer cover I uploaded here yesterday?

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby kencfii » Fri May 18, 2018 4:27 pm

Ok
I think we have a documentation issue

The N1 instructions show the greens and white wire reversed from the N2 install instructions.
I uploaded my install pics above and they are in the correct place according to the N2 install documentation
But it does not work
I will bet if I swap them, it may work
If you look at the N1 install instructions you will see they have the colors reversed.

I will have to try this but can not get to printer for a couple days.
Will have to let you know

I printed the new adapter, hopefully that will help with drag on filament.

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Sun May 20, 2018 10:21 am

kencfii wrote:Ok
I think we have a documentation issue

The N1 instructions show the greens and white wire reversed from the N2 install instructions.
I uploaded my install pics above and they are in the correct place according to the N2 install documentation
But it does not work
I will bet if I swap them, it may work
If you look at the N1 install instructions you will see they have the colors reversed.

I will have to try this but can not get to printer for a couple days.
Will have to let you know

I printed the new adapter, hopefully that will help with drag on filament.


Actually the White and Green wires only stand for left and right nozzle's feeding signal. Which means, even with wrong wiring between two wires, the only problem will be left side out of filament triggers right nozzle which may currently not using so it doesn't trigger any error.
As the installation directions of N2/N2 Plus and N1 are not the same. We define the sensor on N2, right side on sensor triggering the signal of left nozzle. And on N1 is left side triggering left nozzle.

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby kencfii » Sun May 20, 2018 8:06 pm

OK,
I think we have confusion here still...
BUT

I WORKS!

SO I got it to work by swapping the white/green wires - They are now attached with the opposite of the N@ directions that I have.

The Green is on the left and the white is on rhe right - opposite of the picture I posted above.
This is when looking at the printer from the side that has the spools...

Apparently you want us (I think) to have the left spool go through the right hole of the sensor and the right spool through the left hole of the sensor...
This is not the way I have been running the machine for the last 500 prints or the way the set up video (or logic) shows to feed filament into the N2.

Why would we want to cross the filaments and have the Left spool feed over the right?

Maybe that is better somehow but that is not how I thought it was supposed to be run... Does not seem to make sense.

Anyway - I swapped the wires and all seems to work well....

Now - on to the filament drag issue... Lots of drag on the filament.

I have printed the new improved mounting block you sent me and will try that out soon.
I have to get some time critical prints done first...

I hope it helps....

Thx

PS anyone else seeing my issues?
An I on an island :-)
I could be and am maybe missing something real easy....

PLEASE look at the first 2 images of the Step 6: Loading instructions for the sensor install N2.
First one shows the orange filament as L as does the second picture but it is clearly in the R hole of the sensor.....

That seems to be what they want according to how the wiring works.... BUT that is not the way I have always been feeding.... I have been doing L spool to L bowden tube.
Why does this sensor want it a different way??? and why should the filaments crossover if using dual extrusion?

Just confused... which is easy to do.. :-)

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Mon May 21, 2018 1:11 pm

kencfii wrote:OK,
I think we have confusion here still...
BUT

I WORKS!

SO I got it to work by swapping the white/green wires - They are now attached with the opposite of the N@ directions that I have.

The Green is on the left and the white is on rhe right - opposite of the picture I posted above.
This is when looking at the printer from the side that has the spools...

Apparently you want us (I think) to have the left spool go through the right hole of the sensor and the right spool through the left hole of the sensor...
This is not the way I have been running the machine for the last 500 prints or the way the set up video (or logic) shows to feed filament into the N2.

Why would we want to cross the filaments and have the Left spool feed over the right?

Maybe that is better somehow but that is not how I thought it was supposed to be run... Does not seem to make sense.

Anyway - I swapped the wires and all seems to work well....

Now - on to the filament drag issue... Lots of drag on the filament.

I have printed the new improved mounting block you sent me and will try that out soon.
I have to get some time critical prints done first...

I hope it helps....

Thx

PS anyone else seeing my issues?
An I on an island :-)
I could be and am maybe missing something real easy....

PLEASE look at the first 2 images of the Step 6: Loading instructions for the sensor install N2.
First one shows the orange filament as L as does the second picture but it is clearly in the R hole of the sensor.....

That seems to be what they want according to how the wiring works.... BUT that is not the way I have always been feeding.... I have been doing L spool to L bowden tube.
Why does this sensor want it a different way??? and why should the filaments crossover if using dual extrusion?

Just confused... which is easy to do.. :-)


The orange filament in picture passing through the right side of sensor which should be fed into left nozzle, so we mark L on it. The L here stands for Left Nozzle but not left side of sensor. Because the right side tunnel on sensor triggers the left nozzle's feeding signal.
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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby kencfii » Mon May 21, 2018 2:04 pm

Ok
I get it.
That is different than I have been running my N2
And different than the setup videos.
So right side spool feeds into right side of sensor and then feed it to left print head.

Just strange to switch like this when inhave always run with spools feeding respective sides like the set up video shows and logic dictates.

Anyone else do this?

Anyone?

Thx

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Tue May 22, 2018 7:29 am

kencfii wrote:Ok
I get it.
That is different than I have been running my N2
And different than the setup videos.
So right side spool feeds into right side of sensor and then feed it to left print head.

Just strange to switch like this when inhave always run with spools feeding respective sides like the set up video shows and logic dictates.

Anyone else do this?

Anyone?

Thx


We haven't defined feeding direction before in all documents and instructions. But with the sensor we have to define which nozzle for which sensor tunnel. So we marked inside the installation guide for sensor this time.

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby kencfii » Tue May 22, 2018 11:39 am

OK
Thanks!

hope to try the new mount soon

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Re: Filament Run-out Sensor Install Problem

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Tue May 22, 2018 11:46 am

kencfii wrote:OK
Thanks!

hope to try the new mount soon


BTW, have you tried with this mount?
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