E3D v6 Adaptor

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Sun Dec 10, 2017 6:12 am

my question on the type was because we ideally want to match what is already existing on the printer. I guess I could test it out.

the E3D page for the heater cartridge states this.

12v/30w: 5-6 ohms
12v/40w: 3-4 ohms
24v/30w: 19-24 ohms
24v/40w: 9-12 ohms

I'll have to grab my multimeter and see what the output is on my printer.

as my printer is an early bird unit with upgraded electronics though, I sugest everyone test out what they need. to find out if it is the same.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Mon Dec 11, 2017 4:43 pm

well, its defiantly not 12v and the current stock R3D "heater rod" is stamped with 60W.
unless the early machines have different control boards I can save ya some time, go with 40W.
anything 24V/60W or less will work but the lower wattage heaters mean you have to pay more attention to insulating the hotend from drafts.
For the record 40W heats to my volcano from 21c to 240c in ~150 seconds with no PID or duty cycle changes from stock.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:51 pm

Adapters are done.
just waiting for them to arrive.

Is there any interest in bundling the rest of the E3D parts needed with these or do you perfer to source the remaining parts yourself?
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Fri Dec 15, 2017 12:44 am

personally I'm looking at getting the parts separate because i'm not sure which parts I want to get. There are multiple directions to go. you could just buy a standard kit. you could buy standard parts or you can buy the premium parts.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:56 pm

First batch is here.
The folks who already indicated interest on the form should have an email from me.
For new orders use this form https://goo.gl/forms/NTXAv5m4E8TuURqk2
assembly guide https://goo.gl/x4ZFWE
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:21 am

sitting here debating, volcano versus standard. pros and cons?

I can see one advantage of the volcano being the 1.2mm nozzle. If i use polysmooth, I can make single walled objects. Is there a minimum layer height like the maximum layer height?
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby cullymoto » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:36 pm

Yes. If you go below layer height "X" vs nozzle diameter "Y" you see poor performance.
I tried 0.01 layer from a 0.4mm nozzle. PLA. Etc and it failed terribly. bad layer adhesion, awful spider web of stringing, bed adhesion problems etc.
Maybe with time and testing I could get it right but it wasn't worth it.
In my case 0.01 layer is possible, but better achieved with 0.1mm nozzle.

However it is quite quick and easy to just swap your nozzle to tailer the hot end to the needs for your next print.

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Wed Dec 20, 2017 5:05 pm

It seems like 10% of nozzle size is the minimum. so a .4 mm nozzle would be .04mm layer height. a 1.2mm nozzle would be .12mm layer height. i think I read somewhere with 1.2mm however you want to have .25ish as your lowest layer height.

trying to figure out the parts to order. I have polysmooth filament from the kickstarter, including transparent. the transparent filament is best printed with a single shell to get something clear.

polysmooth also has potential to be used as disprovable support material.

I also want to print large objects with my printer, hence looking at the volcano. with a larger nozzle, I can print less shells, decreasing print time. also with thicker line width, putting down layers should go faster.

the issue is justifying the titanium heatbreak at the momment, I think I will pass for now. I will probably look into getting some more parts so I can do quick exchanges in the future.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Wed Dec 20, 2017 8:54 pm

just a note, make sure you don't order the "old style" fortunately they contacted me to fix the issue.
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Re: E3D v6 AdaptorAdapter

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Fri Dec 22, 2017 10:57 pm

Cant wait to hear what you guys think of the adapter

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:31 am

a question on wiring, which wires can be trimmed to needed length and which can not? the wire leads on these parts are very long.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Sat Dec 23, 2017 1:30 pm

all wires can be trimmed to length.
pay attention to the thermocouple leads, they are polarized. you won't damage anything if connected backwards just incorrect temps.

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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:00 pm

have you designed a new cooling duct for it?
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:32 pm

this is the one i whipped up, not satisfied with it but it will do until i can spend more time on it.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:11 am

this shroud has no layer cooling
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:08 pm

I'll have to take a look at them and work on something. my internet went out 2am on christmas and is just sorta back up now. a tech is coming out later. hopefully I can split the telephone modem off and setup a new modem for the internet.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:07 am

Cooling fan experiment.
No layer fan for this yet.
Edit, needs two 6mm long flat head m3 screws to attach to tool head.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:07 am

are you having any issues with it hitting into the sides doing that? I don't remember what the side/forward clearance on the print head is.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby trae@greenlee.cc » Fri Dec 29, 2017 2:28 pm

Just touches the z-axis limit switch's PCB but only after triggering the Y-axis limit switch so it should not matter.
But, better safe than sorry so here is a revision with that issue taken care of.
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Re: E3D v6 Adaptor

Postby firesped » Fri Dec 29, 2017 5:33 pm

rather then screwing into the block, i am looking at snap ons for the cold blocks.

fan ducts 35mm wip 1.png
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