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New Idea Maker

Postby Shelton » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:40 am

Ok Idea Maker is good slicer but needs some improvements. I was comparing it to Cura and Utlimaker software performs a lot better. But I still love look and design of IM. Could you add some new features like Cura do?

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Mon Oct 08, 2018 9:47 pm

Would you like to advise more in detail?

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby Shelton » Mon Oct 08, 2018 10:29 pm

Better supports, surface control, more options.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby EldRick » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:17 pm

And true Sequential printing.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby bobstro » Tue Oct 09, 2018 5:30 pm

Vicky@Raise3D wrote:Would you like to advise more in detail?


I'm personally very impressed with IM. The quality of slicing is excellent, and having a custom support option on a free slicer is a definite bonus. There are a very few things missing that are keeping me from using it as my primary slicer:

  1. Variable/adaptive layer heights. Cura and KISSlicer have the ability to automatically vary layer heights over a print. KISS is particularly impressive, doing separate layer heights per model and allowing control of the amount a layer above must overlap those below, allowing for very nice results even with larger layer heights.
  2. Volumetric speed limiters. Slic3rPE & KISSlicer allow specifying maximum volumetric speeds corresponding to the hotend or filament. This is particularly useful for filled filaments as I can make one setting and not have to adjust speeds throughout my other settings. It will print using my set speeds up to the volumetric rate limit. This makes using new materials very easy. (The ability to view volumetric rates & speeds in preview is a very useful addition to this ability as well.)
  3. Acceleration & jerk control. This can be set to some extent in custom g-code, but ability to have it "baked in" and reflected in estimates would be nice.

I'm not sure how much input from an owner of another manufacturer's device means, but I hope this is useful.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:02 am

bobstro wrote:
Vicky@Raise3D wrote:Would you like to advise more in detail?


I'm personally very impressed with IM. The quality of slicing is excellent, and having a custom support option on a free slicer is a definite bonus. There are a very few things missing that are keeping me from using it as my primary slicer:

  1. Variable/adaptive layer heights. Cura and KISSlicer have the ability to automatically vary layer heights over a print. KISS is particularly impressive, doing separate layer heights per model and allowing control of the amount a layer above must overlap those below, allowing for very nice results even with larger layer heights.
  2. Volumetric speed limiters. Slic3rPE & KISSlicer allow specifying maximum volumetric speeds corresponding to the hotend or filament. This is particularly useful for filled filaments as I can make one setting and not have to adjust speeds throughout my other settings. It will print using my set speeds up to the volumetric rate limit. This makes using new materials very easy. (The ability to view volumetric rates & speeds in preview is a very useful addition to this ability as well.)
  3. Acceleration & jerk control. This can be set to some extent in custom g-code, but ability to have it "baked in" and reflected in estimates would be nice.

I'm not sure how much input from an owner of another manufacturer's device means, but I hope this is useful.


1. Variable layer height has already been added into developing list and under develop now.
2. We will add volumetric speed limiters into list.
View speed in preview is already in ideaMaker.
3. Acceleration adn Jerk settings are already in ideaMaker.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby bobstro » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:04 am

Vicky@Raise3D wrote:
bobstro wrote:
Vicky@Raise3D wrote:Would you like to advise more in detail?

[...] 1. Variable layer height has already been added into developing list and under develop now.
2. We will add volumetric speed limiters into list.


Awesome! Looking forward to checking those out.

View speed in preview is already in ideaMaker.
3. Acceleration adn Jerk settings are already in ideaMaker.
Heh. Tried to edit my post after I realized this, but since it was awaiting moderation, I couldn't. Yes, immediately realized those were already present. Anything that enhances preview mode as a troubleshooting aid is really helpful.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby kolandr » Wed Oct 10, 2018 9:14 am

Do you plan to make combined supports, for example, like a Picaso Polygon X?
http://3dtoday.ru/blogs/1617db764a/news ... gon-x-v11/
which significantly reduces PVA and HIPS consumption for models.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby bobstro » Wed Oct 10, 2018 3:19 pm

A couple of other features that would be useful and hopefully not too involved to implement:

  • Slic3rPE allows slice-time calculations to be used in g-code. This is handy, for example, for raising the extruder at the end of a print without banging into the top with a line like {if layer_z < max_print_height}G1 Z{z_offset+min(layer_z+60, max_print_height)}{endif} ; Move print head up
  • KISS takes it a step further allowing user-defined gcode variables to be defined on a per-filament basis. So, for example, I can set warmup no-ooze temps for different materials, do bed leveling and other setup, then heat the filament only when ready to print.
  • I haven't seen this in any slicer yet, but the ability to include gcode from other files (e.g. printing a purge line) would simplify maintaining multiple configurations.

With IM's filament-driven capabilities, these could be very powerful. I'm not sure how much demand there is for these capabilities.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby Shelton » Wed Oct 10, 2018 6:46 pm

So we need some updates and will be fine. Also better economic rafts like in Simplify3D.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby Noren » Wed Oct 10, 2018 7:33 pm

I really would like more experimental features. Like the fussy skin option. (And I would like to be able to control the amount of surface noise like size, randomness and frequency. Like the adobe camera raw add grain options).

Also missing variable layer height (that’s automatic and gets finer for curved parts).

I would also like to see other infill options. Like gyroid.
And also some kind of smart infill that generates infill only we’re its needed for the above layers. Or infill that’s get more dense beneath layers that need it.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Thu Oct 11, 2018 6:13 pm

kolandr wrote:Do you plan to make combined supports, for example, like a Picaso Polygon X?
http://3dtoday.ru/blogs/1617db764a/news ... gon-x-v11/
which significantly reduces PVA and HIPS consumption for models.


If I didn't misunderstand, you should can achieve this with settings right nozzle with different filament to print only dense layers.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby Vicky@Raise3D » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:10 pm

bobstro wrote:A couple of other features that would be useful and hopefully not too involved to implement:

  • Slic3rPE allows slice-time calculations to be used in g-code. This is handy, for example, for raising the extruder at the end of a print without banging into the top with a line like {if layer_z < max_print_height}G1 Z{z_offset+min(layer_z+60, max_print_height)}{endif} ; Move print head up
  • KISS takes it a step further allowing user-defined gcode variables to be defined on a per-filament basis. So, for example, I can set warmup no-ooze temps for different materials, do bed leveling and other setup, then heat the filament only when ready to print.
  • I haven't seen this in any slicer yet, but the ability to include gcode from other files (e.g. printing a purge line) would simplify maintaining multiple configurations.

With IM's filament-driven capabilities, these could be very powerful. I'm not sure how much demand there is for these capabilities.


I guess you can try {placeholder} or IF sentecnces for Start Gcode, End Gcode and Extruder Switch Gcode, but we don't support arithmetic operations and no user-defined variable.
And not 100% sure whether adding Start Gcode into filament settings will affect settings in slicing profiles or not.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby bobstro » Thu Oct 11, 2018 9:28 pm

Vicky@Raise3D wrote:
bobstro wrote:A couple of other features that would be useful and hopefully not too involved to implement:
[...] I guess you can try {placeholder} or IF sentecnces for Start Gcode, End Gcode and Extruder Switch Gcode, but we don't support arithmetic operations and no user-defined variable.


Definitely in the "nice-to-have" category, but the capabilities are nice for tuning individual jobs.

And not 100% sure whether adding Start Gcode into filament settings will affect settings in slicing profiles or not.


Ah, I wouldn't expect gcode additions to alter slicing but more for things like embedding filament-specific options like linear advance (M900 Kx) or other material-specific tweaks. That said, you've already got filament-specific overrides. Would adding a bit of tack-on gcode be possible? (This would be really powerful if we could set gcode placeholders to use in gcode as described above.)

I really like the filament-focused approach you've taken in IM. Allowing filament profiles to over-ride default print settings is very nice. Add in filament-specific max volumetric rates and you've set a very high bar for the other slicers out there.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby KS_Husker » Fri Oct 12, 2018 2:22 pm

Yes, I agree. Cura has become the Golden Standard. Their software is amazing now.

I really like how they change the temperature of the extruders based on when they will be used next so the filament doesn't keep oozing, and doesn't get cooked in the extruder and nozzle when not in use.
I think this feature should be automatically include on any software for a dual extrusion printer.

They start the cooling of the nozzle a little before it will be put out of use, and start heating the new nozzle that will be put in use a little prior to it being used so it is ready when it's time so there is no down time for heating or cooling of the nozzles. It's a pretty awesome feature.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby JohnSays » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:12 pm

The number one item that keeps me from using IM more is lack of sequential printing. I often print the same object over and over. If something fails while doing sequential printing, I still have as many as got fully printed before the failure. However, if I am printing 20 of an object as IM does it, and something goes wrong, I loose all 20 even if they are on the last few layers. So sequential is the most important feature you could add for me.

I love the way IM slices my models. Far superior to Simplify3D -- which is getting to be the worst slicer on the market IMO.

Much less important to me: It would sure be nice to not have to do so many button clicks to edit a template. A flatter interface would be much appreciated. Think about this: How many of us only want to edit the infill or shells? I almost never use that first form to do anything accept get into the full edit of the template. Also, I would like to see a tab just for speeds - rather than having speeds spread out onto different tabs.
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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby Shelton » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:50 pm

Simplify3D isn't worst slicer on the market. I can't agree. Sequential printing, many models of 3D machines. And well-arranged windows if you compare to Idea Maker. You have well group options tabs in S3D but with IM NOT. Few different functions in one window. This is not intuitive.

Last you can use S3D with different printers. For me the choice is simple.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby SajjadA » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:03 pm

I think that the template editing infterface could be much nicer. Like John Says says (lol), certain settings really deserve their own tab because they're spread out across the different tabs. Furthermore, a simple search box would be extremely helpful.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby JohnSays » Sun Nov 25, 2018 7:27 pm

Shelton wrote:Simplify3D isn't worst slicer on the market. I can't agree. Sequential printing, many models of 3D machines. And well-arranged windows if you compare to Idea Maker. You have well group options tabs in S3D but with IM NOT. Few different functions in one window. This is not intuitive.

Last you can use S3D with different printers. For me the choice is simple.


I see I was speaking in generalities and that is not good. I'll be specific. I base this on having used S3D for the last two years. I have no particular problem with the feature set. Indeed, that is why I purchased it. Now with version 4 and 4.1 the artifacts showing up simply make my prints look bad. Example: Try to print a circular object such that the base of the object is perfectly round and is filled concentrically. S3D turns the round in circles into some weird shape that no long prints fast and smooth, but jerky and is no longer concentric. Reverting to 4.01, concentric prints accelerate for one-quarter, come to near a stop, accelerate again for the next one-quarter, and so on all the way around layer after layer. I was looking forward to an upgrade to eliminate this problem and to -- hopefully -- fix the crashes when doing sequential printing and multiple templates. Each time I pressed "Prepare to Print" I crossed my fingers that it would not crash. But it does crash around 80% of the time and then I restart S3D and try again, and again, and again until it works. So, for me, it is not a good program at all.

For reference, IM prints my object fast and smoothly. However, as I said, I need sequential, and to that end, am learning Cura 3.6 at the moment.

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Re: New Idea Maker

Postby Shelton » Sun Nov 25, 2018 8:03 pm

Yes, they have serious issues with the last version. Also, 4.0 was average. But 4.1.1 will be ready soon I hope.


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