Thanks for the replies and I think this comment "We are still defining the final tech specs." is meant for a next gen N2 series, but what about the tech specs of the new Pro series currently preorder status? The machines are built and being shipped. It's a bit late to be in the tech spec defining stage.
#1 what firmware is used on the new 32 bit board?
#2 will that firmware source be seen on Github?
#3 What stepper drivers are used on the new control board? (256 microsteps is not the detail we are looking for)
#4 What are the details of leveling the new 2 moving nozzles system? How does one adjust this? (Not seen in the current user guide recently posted)
#5 What details to address cable flexing concerns have been addressed? I mean if you say there are more sensors and potentially a motor or other electronics, isn't that making even more potential wires in the current cable harness that flexes and moves every time the extruder heads move in XY?
Are all cables failures detected with custom error messages? Example, if the filament detector cable fails- does that then stop the print and notify the user what cable failure is suspected?
The moving nozzle system- what additional wiring exists for it?
#6 is the filament detector really mounted right above the extruder? How many segments complete in gcode before pause is activated?
#7 since the photo shows new nozzles that do appear slightly different than current nozzles, with hard coated versions also be sold (AKA V2H)?
#8 The HEPA filtration system- Is that filter widely available and 3rd party sourcing, or is this proprietary and only sourced from Raise 3D direct? Also, are most of these new features going to be 3D printed housing, ducts and brackets on the new machines as shipped starting this month?
I just have to be honest here for a second, while I know the new boards are very nice (filament detector, new control board), I get the feeling these new features feel like DIY upgrades the community or anyone could design. All of the photos show 3D printed brackets and housings. As a consumer, if I'm buying a Raise 3D because it's a heavier built printer with more aluminum in the frame than other brands entire printers, I expect that quality and attention to detail in the rest of the features. I'm just seeing a mismatch here. Example is, over time, I know that the LCD control box started off as hand built CNC'd and glued together parts, then hand sanded and painted. Later, injection molds where created as production continued and volumes and finalized designs became practical. Maybe that's the deal here, this is the $1k more expensive model than previous pricing, so while there are compromises (printed parts and other details) the user is getting the latest electronics and other designs at a discount. There is always a delta of change, production changes happen, it's just a fact.
Please, other users, see what I'm saying here. If you had a to buy your first printer and did not already have an existing Raise 3D printer (thus a $2k+ investment already), then yes, the new features sound compelling. Heck, If I had $4k just sitting, I might even buy one today. Moving dual nozzles is an often requested feature because of theory that it's the new best way to prevent some of the other problems with dual extrusion. But, like anything else, this is all new. Then there is this new focus on garnering new customers, new business markets. You are literally aiming at less technical folks who are expecting far less adjustments, technical troubleshooting, and more click and print not unlike a paper printer. I'm not fully convinced this plan is going to work. Yes, upgrading the mainboard and making the new machine less upgradeable to the user potentially limits tech support because now the user can no longer plug in a stepper driver in the socket backwards and blow the mainboard. Yes, filament detection is often discussed and a must have feature- but simply detecting out of filament and doing it at the entrance of the extruder knowing full well that's a bit late with a real limit of how much "safety room" you have before filament is actually out and air printing is possible. Again, I think the feature list is a selling point on paper. I think some of the upgrades such as the new bed surface and mounting look quite professional and are worthy upgrades. Other parts of this (moving nozzles, filament detection, upgraded stepper drivers and 32 bit processor) are far less proven (again, as implemented, I fully acknowledge new stepper drivers and processors are proven in other brands). Do I think the sum of upgrades is justified by the price increase? Yes, given a Bondtech dual feeder from the factory, given the new heated bed, given the moving nozzles system, the filament out detection. Upgrades that seem gimmicky to me is the air filtration, the optical endstops, printed housings, and some of the other details of the upgrade. To me, if your start trying to put $ figures on those items, they just aren't that big of a deal. And there lies the rub with current users. They feel like these are all things they requested for their current printer and investment, and shouldn't be forced to buying a new machine.
Also, now I'm really going to open the taps.
I was a beta tester for the camera. Let's call it alpha. But keep in mind, what I'm about to share is a point in time. I was given a camera and the beta (but seriously, it was alpha at best) matching set of Raise 3D touch Raisepack and the corresponding version of Ideamaker with camera support. It had cool features like timelapse. Don't get me wrong, you folks keep requesting it and it was definitely interesting.
But, there were some facts that might turn you off. Example was, the camera was capturing at 320x240 resolution. There was no way to move the captured images off the printer. That's why I'm calling it alpha and take what I'm saying with a grain of salt. What I tested and what is actually shipping may not be the same thing. It was nice to see them working on integration and it was nice in the control panel and so forth. Maybe the resolution was just limitations at the time. So of course I made recommendations and must have feature lists and sent that to raise 3D with literally not a word of feedback. They never sent me another beta firmware update, they never showed me the new actual camera (again, I was given a very early prototype) and never spoke to me again. So yes, call it bad blood, I'm just telling you the facts to the group you should maybe question. I also tried about a half dozen USB webcams and found one that worked- a bunch that didn't. This was due to the app being hard coded in the capture commands and that very specific resolution (32x240) which many higher megapixel cameras did not support. Even went as far as toying with configs and so forth- trying to inject the capture commands.
What resolution is the camera?
What resolution is actual video feed?
What resolution are still pictures?
Can you transfer or capture the timelaspe? (beta could only be viewed on the printer)
Again, if it were me, I'd be asking a whole lot of hard questions surrounding this feature given all that I know.
I'd want to know exactly what was implemented today in the software and firmware. I what to know what may not work today, but is planned for features.
I'd be asking for guides and examples of transferring that timelapse off the printer and or how useful it really is if only on the printer.
Maybe all this is taken care of, this is the miracle you all think it is, and you'll be just overjoyed at the camera features.
What I'm telling you is, the ship has sailed. This isn't about me getting a printer to evaluate, this isn't about money. It's about the fact the new model is shipping, it's on the boat on the way here. The time for feedback is way too late in the game. Buyers are going to feel slighted no matter what at this point. Recent buyers aren't happy and upgrade jealous (but really folks, I'm saying temper that thought). Users buying this pre-order really should be asking a lot more questions before dropping your hard earned cash. Put simply, the current product page is all the buzzwords they feel new buyers want to hear. The actual technical specs are lacking, the pictures are nice, but do have a pre-production beta test unit "this is what we could build" kind of feel. As a buyer dropping $4k-$5k before shipping and taxes I think we need a rethink here.
Again, 2 facts I absolutely, support- the Bondtech extruder and sure from a value and improvement the heated bed changes rank up there justifying the new model and pricing.
The features I question of on paper VS reality is the moving nozzles but does play into the cost increase. It sounds neat, you users keep asking for it, but is it really the miracle you think it is? What about all the other "what if"?? What's different when you have to adjust this? What's different when you have to repair or change a nozzle? What about 3rd party nozzles? What could go wrong? What does go wrong?
Again, I see phrases like this:
High repeatability. (<0.005m, 5 micron).
Light speed, <1 second switching time.
1.5mm lifting distance, compatible with ﬂexible ﬁlaments.
Over 100,000 times reliability test passed.
But what matters is when this hits your hands and skillset.
The stuff I consider fluff is the weak filament detection integration, the air filter is just straight gimmick in my book, optical endstops I feel pretty non-impressed from a change standpoint. While the new mainboard is good- I'm not yet ready to call the stepper drivers an upgrade until more details come out. Different yes- but again, the marketing fluff is so vague, it's sad and pathetic. The current TMC2100 is already 256 microsteps in marketing speak. Yes, A4988s were use for Z and the extruders, so you could refer to an upgrade of them to TMC2100 or equiv- but is that really that substantial of an upgrade? Again, if we already have 256 microsteps for XY now- what's really being said????? The processor speed is literally just bragging rights. How that equates to any tangible printing quality or speed gain is all firmware and architecture dependent. Yes, faster is better, but to put a $ value on what that means is beyond vague and unproven. I'm not saying don't buy it, I'm saying don't make that your primary decision point. I'd love to be wrong on this point, really, that's nothing but good for you if i'm wrong, you get this great new upgrade and I get egg on my face.
Power outage second generation? I have to question how much of that is firmware update VS actual hardware change? What is really that different about it? If it's supposed to be a selling point, shouldn't that be far better explained?